. >> brenda: so far it's taking the labor board out of commission for a while. does that help the economy? >> oh, i believe it does, because it gets to, i think, a bigger issue, brenda, finally, maybe, a little tamp down on government overreach, you know, in obama's inauguration speech, it was all about growing government even bigger than it already is. and the problem is, when government grows, the private sector suffers. and if you say, well, who cares where the money goes, the problem is government growth is always less inefficient than private sector growth and this is one step toward hopefully allowing the private sector to grow, tamping down on unions which i think have hurt many, many, many industries, despite the higher wages. in the union you have higher wages until you lose your job, and i think this is a step forward, this is progress, what needs to be done. >> brenda: you know, jonas, toby brought up a good point. which is that union membership has been declining for decades, record lows right now. so, what difference does all of this make? the unions don't have as much power.